Karin L Shared NELE

Experience Description

My father was in the hospital for two weeks. He was moving between different realities and worlds, expressing out loud what he was seeing and experiencing. He wasn't telling anyone, not even me; he was simply having the experience for himself, out loud. I was lucky enough to be in the room and to recognize what he was saying. Others, the staff and my own family, assumed he had lost his mind from the medication. For me, it was the most sane thing ever said. He was finally free of his personality and was openly declaring all his life's errors, despite being a lifetime spiritual student and teacher. It was as if his life was being shown to him and a greater truth and reality was being revealed. He held nothing back. He came out with revelations and statements like messages for anyone who would accept them as truth. For me, they aligned with everything I had read, even scripture. He was totally unlike his usual self, which is why it felt so utterly real.

On the last day I had with him, his body had not eaten or drunk for days. His eyes were crusted and shut, and he had not spoken any words. As I was getting up to leave, he turned his head to me, lifted his withered arm, and grabbed my arm so strongly and tightly. It was a strength I had never felt before—a non-physical strength—coming from this man who was now only bones and skin. From his crusted, closed eyes, a tiny slit opened and a shaft of light, like a lightning streak, came directly to me. So bright, it was a brilliant white. It flooded me. The feeling was surreal, warm, bright, and brilliant. The only way I can describe it is that I knew it was 'Love' in the bigger sense of the word. I felt like I had been lit up like a Christmas tree. It was like I was lifted off the ground, out of the reality around me, and into a completely different atmosphere. It felt like a long time, but it wasn't. I left and drove home as if a lightning bolt had just hit me. I was not fully present. He died that night. I told my family, and they gave me a vacant smile and did not respond further. I realized quickly it would not be acknowledged. I tried to tell his brother and sister when they arrived. Nothing. Everyone was sad that he died that night, but I was elated and elevated and shining like a light bulb.

It confirmed even more the experiences I had witnessed him having, revealing out loud like messages. It confirmed for me that they had all come from behind the veil, the other side, the other kingdom, the other reality.

I have given accounts of the changes that happened in my life in this form, and the messages that I documented.

When you understand just how opposite everything he said was to how he thought and lived and believed things to be in this world, you realize he was so completely experiencing the other world.

It happened between December 1 and 15, 2014.

In 2018, I was nudged by spirit to share everything that he said with others, that it wasn't just for me. It felt right; this was golden nuggets for understanding and living life today, living from heaven on earth while still here. So I wrote a book about it. I even had a foreword written by Neale Donald Walsch, who inspired me to write it too.

Family issues and complications occurred that meant I didn't publish it.

Yet somehow I have this nudge again now, unexpectedly, to share this insight for others. I was directed to this site too, one I had never seen before. So I hope that here is a place where others will benefit from this very simple wisdom and information that was given, I believe, from the other side.

Background Information:

Gender: Female

Date of NDE: 1 - 15 December 2014

NDE Elements:

At the time of your experience, was there an associated life-threatening event? Yes
I am writing this on behalf of my father who did die after the event. He died of multiple liver / gall bladder tumors.

How do you consider the content of your experience? Both pleasant AND distressing

Did you feel separated from your body? I clearly left my body and existed outside it
He said out of the blue when in a dark looking place, 'get the bible out of here' in a horrid devil like vicious tone. He pointed to the closed curtains. Behind the curtains we found the bible on the window sill. It had been behind the closed curtains the whole time and he couldn't have known as the curtains had been closed and we didn't even know that it was there. Yet he knew it without seeing it.

How did your highest level of consciousness and alertness during the experience compare to your normal everyday consciousness and alertness? This is my observation of my father. It was over a 2 week period that there was a coming and going of awareness and consciousness to both physical and the invisible worlds. It was a heightened level of consciousness no longer attached to his usual personality. It allowed for a consciousness of the 'other realm'. There were self and life reflections, self and life recognitions that were being seen, witnessed and experienced, which he was expressing, demonstrating and revealing out loud. He wasnt telling anyone, he was just having his own experience out loud. I was lucky enough to be in the room and observing and documenting and even recognising from other literatures, even scriptures, what he expressing.
Described above. It was a consciousness out of his normal mind-set. In fact so completely different than his personality that the medical team and even my own family thought his mind to be altered by the medication. Yet for me, it was the most sane mind ever expressed. He himself was also recognising it as the Real truth of himself and his life. Totally other to what he had thought here on earth.

At what time during the experience were you at your highest level of consciousness? More consciousness and alertness than normal

Were your thoughts speeded up? Incredibly fast

Did time seem to speed up or slow down? Everything seemed to be happening at once; or time stopped or lost all meaning
He was clearly outside of any physical time.

Were your senses more vivid than usual? Incredibly more vivid

Please compare your vision during the experience to your everyday vision that you had immediately prior to the time of the experience He was seeing things that were not visible to anyone else in the room. He talked about things that he couldnt have possibly actually have seen in this world. He was experiencing these visions as if he was there and they were here. He was in a totally different reality. He saw his 'double' as he called it, he saw Christ, he saw and the devil and experienced himself impacted by 'the devil'. I saw this too, it was terrifying. He saw images of his life how it could have been different if hed known. He saw what the future of healing could be. How humanity is and everyone is a 'fraud'. 'We are all frauds. I am a fraud' he said. Even his lifetime Spiritual teacher was a fraud, he said.

Please compare your hearing during the experience to your everyday hearing that you had immediately prior to the time of the experience He was hearing and experiencing all at the same time. He heard a lot of music he said, which was not in the room. He was being told things that nobody else could hear. He was having dialogues with beings that were not visible or heard by anyone else.

Did you seem to be aware of things going on elsewhere? Yes, and the facts have been checked out

Did you pass into or through a tunnel? Uncertain
He didn't describe anything that was a exactly a tunnel specifically. More seeing realms of darkness, then realms of light, then realms of bliss.. and his life seemed to be passing before him as he witnessed it. As you hear about after death. He was having this before death.

Did you see any beings in your experience? I actually saw them

Did you encounter or become aware of any deceased beings? No

Did you see or feel surrounded by a brilliant light? A light clearly of mystical or other-worldly origin

Did you see an unearthly light? Yes
He expressed seeing a lot of bright light. I as witness had the blessing of him beaming out the most brilliant of bright light to me the last time I saw him. He hadnt acknowledge anything for days. He hadnt eaten or drank he was hours form death. He turned to me, gripped my arm with the most intense insane strength and a light beam came out of his eye that hadnt opened for days. A small slit opened and directed this indescribable light right to me as I said my farewells to him for that day. He died that night.

Did you seem to enter another world? A clearly mystical or unearthly realm
He said there was only love, he heard music, he saw light, other beings, good ones and bad ones. He was seeing a completley different reality to where he was.

What emotions did you feel during the experience? I felt, elation, excitement, curiosity, fascination, amazement. He seemed to be feeling amazement at the 'truth' and reality he was seeing, at times saddened reflection by what he was seeing, so contrary to what he had believed. Resigned tone at other times. Great fear at times, as he saw and experienced dark images, he described as the devil, and became contorted and devil like himself for a while. He was looking pleadingly to me like a very young boy, then back to the devil like face. He became scared and desperate not to die at one point. He didnt want to die. He was calm and neutral and reassured at other times. He was reflective at times. It was like watching a rollercoaster of experienced feelings.

Did you have a feeling of peace or pleasantness? Relief or calmness

Did you have a feeling of joy? No

Did you feel a sense of harmony or unity with the universe? I felt united or one with the world

Did you suddenly understand everything? Everything about the universe
Both, everything about himself and the other and the universe.

Did scenes from your past come back? I remembered many past events
He referred to past incidences and circumstances that he was now seeing differently. He was having a life review. Regrets as well. Seeing how things had impacted others. How he had done things that could have been other-wise. And the choices he could have had differently if he had known this earlier in his life. He said that specifically. Here are some of the statements he proclaimed from this place reflecting on his life: 'Love is all there is'. ' We are all frauds, I am a fraud'. ' The soul needs the body', ' I was never spiritual people just thought I was'... after a lifetime of spiritual teachings and being a spiritual figure. 'If I had known this earlier in my life I would have been a musician not a teacher' ( his passion was his music, he played the Cello.) ' It's all easy, we just think it's clever'. (He was an intellect). 'If it makes sense to you then it's right'. 'The souls fulfillment is just 3 things: Love, appreciation and positivity' then he added 'positivity doesn't grow on trees' and more. 'I need to have been safe in myself... community is good for that'. 'What you are not interest4ed in, leave by the wayside'. And others that I recall later in the form.

Did you reach a boundary or limiting physical structure? Yes
He was clearly going outside of his physical boundary. His physical body became obsolete to him at times.. increasingly so over the duration.

Did you come to a border or point of no return? No

God, Spiritual and Religion:

What was your religion prior to your experience? Christian- Other Christian

Have your religious practices changed? Yes
They have become far more everyday normal conversations and experiences, living with these 'mystical' beings as present real friends and guides is such a gifted way to live.

What is your religion now? Christian- Other Christian

Did your experience include features consistent with your earthly beliefs? Content that was both consistent and not consistent with the beliefs you had at the time of your experience
He was totally thrown by the contrast to what he had lived and to what he was now experiencing and seeing in front of him. Hence the message that ' we are all frauds, even he was a fraud, his spiritual teachers were all frauds. It is all an illusion' And his other revelations mentioned above. . Everything he had lived by seemed to be different now.

Did you have a change in your values and beliefs because of your experience? Yes
Definitely in the surety of my beliefs. In fact it assured all my beliefs. It was a confirmation of everything I had read, heard and believed. It aligned with the other NDE's I had read about. Watching his body decay but the breath / spirit / life force/ staying in full force, and as the body depleted the breath had no where to be and left. This changed the idea of the breath leaving and then the body can not live. This was the other way round, the breath not having anywhere to be or live or express itself, yet not dying at all, just having to leave the decayed body. Like his message: 'The soul needs the body'.

Did you seem to encounter a mystical being or presence, or hear an unidentifiable voice? I encountered a definite being, or a voice clearly of mystical or unearthly origin
Yes he spoke of seeing mystical beings as if they were right in the room. Christ, he mentioned a few times. Angels. Spirits. His own Spirit. He saw his 'double'. He seemed to be communicating with and seeing invisible beings for days.

Did you encounter or become aware of any beings who previously lived on earth who are described by name in religions (for example: Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, etc.)? Yes
Christ Jesus

During your experience, did you gain information about premortal existence? No

During your experience, did you gain information about universal connection or oneness? Yes
Yes, it was very clear that he was experiencing a mystical universe/ reality / truth/ existence other than this one. He relayed statements about what he was seeing and experiencing as mentioned previously and to come.

During your experience, did you gain information about the existence of God? Yes
He spoke of seeing Christ Jesus. and other beings and angels.

Concerning our Earthly lives other than Religion:

During your experience, did you gain special knowledge or information about your purpose? Yes
The Method described above was one. And the message of living your Souls fulfillment. Love, appreciation and positivity. (which didn't grow on trees) so had to be cultivated. He said a few random but interesting things: 'people are more dry than they used to be.' 'The wild people are from Brazil' 'That people don't change thier skin color over lifetimes'. 'That children needs their father as much as their mother.' reflecting seemingly with some regret on his own absence. ' Meditation is important' reflecting on his own earthly arrogance towards meditation. ' ..

During your experience, did you gain information about the meaning of life? Yes
Yes, he offered statements describing earthly life's meaning. One was: 'The souls fulfillment is just 3 thing, Love, appreciation and positivity'. And 'Love is all there is'.

During your experience, did you gain information about an afterlife? Yes
He was experiencing a very clear and different reality outside of this one.

Did you gain information about how to live our lives? Yes
Other 'statements or messages' that I have not yet mentioned are: He spoke of 'The Method', that could heal everyone, heal the world he said, and we could all live to be 100. He called it 'The Method', He was nodding his head over and over again in tiny forward backward movements and then declaring that by doing this he was able to erase the TV that was in front of him. ( at this time he was still conscious of the physical rom at times). He said with this Method he could erase all illness. Simply eearse things, as if it was all so easy. He had also said as mentioned early ' it's all easy, we only think it is clever.' He said all you had to do is this to erase whatever you want, illness and objects. Other messages mentioned previously and to come, changed the way one would perceive the earthly world and how you would therefore live an earthly life.

During your experience, did you gain information about life's difficulties, challenges and hardships? Yes
He seemed to be experiencing the trappings of earthly life. How he had been deceived by these, and believed himself to be in the light. How he had been caught in the illusion of it all. 'We are all frauds. I am a fraud. Everything is an illusion', he said.

During your experience, did you gain information about love? Yes
He was experiencing and said that 'Love was all there is'. Something he would never have ever said in his life. As he said it he gazed out into the distance , as if experiencing this Love of it all for the first time..

What life changes occurred in your life after your experience? Large changes in my life
For me it changed so much. The no more questions or answers needed about the other side, behind the veil. Absolute faith of the invisible reality so absolute. It has given me such an easy communication with God and other figures who were always in my life but in a different way, Jesus, Mary and Archangel Michael particularly. Afterwards and still today it is like talking to and being with true friends. I can actually hold Gods hand and walk with him. They are all always there with me. Like my team, my tribe, my partners. I feel so much more content and assured by this relationship. It changed my way of being with my father too. I hadnt really had a close relationship with him, and after that I felt like he was right there with me all the time. It felt like he finally 'got me' and understood me and my life. I would see him wherever I went, on the plane with me, at the back of the conference hall when I was speaking, smiling at me. He never smiled, he was always so serious. I could chat to him. He had been so consumed with his 'spiritual world' while living, that he forgot to see his physical life, his family right in front of him. He was a spiritual intellect, but not really living spiritual truths . He was like a spiritual hypocrite, which growing up made me so angry. I could see it. I also had had light experiences since and before. One was almost equally as blinding and brilliant, others less so but carried a same feeling with them. The intention of my own teachings changed. Although I never spoke/ speak of it outwardly to people, clients or students, , I guide people in a different way. With a different awareness and use the guidance and presence of the invisible kingdom all the time.

Have your relationships changed specifically because of your experience? Yes
As described my relationship to my now deceased father changed completely. Also to my family whom I had always viewed as somewhat spiritual, aware and open. I now see there fear and somewhat fake-ness in all they do and say. I see how impossible it is to know what you haven't experienced, so I dont judge it. And don't expect it or put it on anyone.

After the NDE:

Was the experience difficult to express in words? Yes
I wrote down what he was declaring, saying, experiencing. There were 13 very clear statements that he said, and I could see he was experiencing. Later I saw them as messages. He was seeing and expressing outwardly, clearly, reflectively, changing everything he had thought about life, himself and this world. The last experience I had with him was the most phenomenal, indescribable for me. A 'light' shaft or beam coming out of his closed crusted eye (it had been closed for days) and penetrated me directly, through me, clearly. There are really no justifying words to describe or explain it. I can feel it today thinking on it, as if it had just happened. It has the feeling that can only be described as a Love that I have never experienced before.

How accurately do you remember the experience in comparison to other life events that occurred around the time of the experience? I remember the experience more accurately than other life events that occurred around the time of the experience
My father died so I can't answer this for him. I can answer it on my own behalf as witness to these extraordinary dying revelations and my own out of this world 'light' experience had through him. Witnessing him going through this, I can still feel the phenomena of it all, like it is right now. Like experiencing living the words of scripture that were played out in front of me. He was wrestling with the demons on the thresh hold and seeing Jesus and light beings on the other hand. He was proclaiming what I had read so many times as a real experienced reality. He was demonstrating this reality in front of my eyes. I only have to think on this and in particular the light beam/ shaft that was directed at me and i feel as if it is happening right now. It's still a fully embodied visceral feeling. It still takes me over completely. It gets my heart pumping in a good way, and elation and excitement flood through me. My energy rises and I feel like I am right there in the other reality completely.

Do you have any psychic, non-ordinary or other special gifts after your experience that you did not have before the experience? Yes
I have had a greater ability to be present with spirit, to call on God and the light and love more easily and tangibly. I feel the frequencies and resonance of that in the presence of clients and that is when the healings and revelations happen for them. Knowing this invisible reality with a capital K without question or doubt allows for the so called 'miracles' to happen and to be concsoius of them.

Are there one or several parts of your experience that are especially meaningful or significant to you? Knowing this invisible reality is right here along side me ( us) and not somewhere else or only available to us in such a present tangible way when we die, changes perspective of the earthly reality and how much to attach to it. It allows such a wide angled lens on everything that exists in flesh and sight.

Have you ever shared this experience with others? Yes
I shared it immediately with family members who although were even sometimes present at the same time as me, thought it was all nonsense and from the medication. They go along with me for a while and then get that look of checking out or questioning my imagination. The same with most friends that I later tried to explain it to. they listened but soon got the checked out look and polite smile on. I have 2 friends who could really get it. One has studied scripture her whole life. The other fully connected to mystical beings. A year later I got a nudge that these messages were not just for me. So I wrote a book about them and got Neale Donald Walsh to write the forward. It isnt yet published. I had some family issues that interrupted the possibility of it. I am being nudged again to share so sharing it here is another way to share it and hope it can be helpful for others too. i dont beleive it was only for me.

Did you have any knowledge of near death experience (NDE) prior to your experience? Yes
I was fascinated by life after death and what contributes the ' life force' and had heard of NDE's. Only afterwards did I start to read many accounts and they all held the same descriptions and difficulty in language to explain adequately.

What did you believe about the reality of your experience shortly (days to weeks) after it happened? Experience was definitely real
It was so real it was one of the most 'real' events of my life!. Nothing compared to it. Nothing dimmed it. I never questioned it once (as others did). It was so vivd and sense felt and 'true' to all that is and every has been described to me about the other side, the invisible reality.

What do you believe about the reality of your experience now? Experience was definitely real
As above.

At any time in your life, has anything ever reproduced any part of the experience? Yes
I have had other light experiences since, yes. Not the same though. But they hold the same essence. I experienced the light shaft and felt / was given a new personal meaning about it for me.

Did the questions asked and information that you provided accurately and comprehensively describe your experience? Yes
I think so, yes. These things are actually not easy to explain and describe, words feel so limited and repetitive. So the many ways you have asked similar questions was useful to find and give different ways of saying almost the same thing.

Anything else to add? I am aware that it was not my NDE. Nor was it a true NDE, because my father actually passed. I was only witness to this dying experience that took him between the two realities, behind the veil and back and outwardly expressing it all. A privilege I am so grateful and humbled by. The light gifted was the most extra-ordinary unexpected thing that could have come from this totally limp, decayed body and yet this unearthly gift of light was directed to me.. What can I say.. wow wow wow!!! writing this now so many years later I am stunned all over again and overwhelmed by the enormity of it all, the gift that it was and somehow a responsibility I now again feel to share it with others. It was not meant just for me. I feel that again completely.