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Patrick L's Probable NDE

EXPERIENCE DESCRIPTION:

            Some time after I went "under" for the surgery--"I" experienced a focused perception of being both just above and out of my body--at first simply a feeling of hovering and watching. My body lay on the surgical table but the "I" I was was not in the body and could not even identify myself as "that" body or even be aware of an identity as "I". This perception remained in focus for what seemed a very long time and then rapidly shifted away from all familiar objects into a zone beyond boundaries. I became aware of figures in a light with me (but not comparable to "light" as we would know it--sun or otherwise) who I've later identified as my future daughter and son in their unborn states as souls, for lack of a better word; there was a sense of communication but not words within the communication. Another figure of light (which I later felt was "Jesus") communicated the following distillation that I was able to formulate fairly soon after my existence in this world resumed. The gist of it was that I could "leave my present level of experience if I wanted to but that there was still things left undone that I had come to the earth to do". I next experienced a kind of "asking" from my future children to return and not let death take me. In brief, the experience was beatific, extraordinarily peaceful, and beyond pain and pleasure of any describable kind.

After coming to consciousness in the recovery room, my wife said I had been in surgery for over four hours and that I looked "ash  gray" upon coming out. She said she thought I was dead or was about to die and she was very very frightened.

The next 3 years, culminating in 1979, were extraordinary. I found I could switch "levels" with my mind; that is, I could move from the very specific things of this world to the highly abstract non-specific experience I tried to describe above. Some of these experiences I would term as "revelatory" in contexts that have since informed my written work. There was a "price" for this, however. That price involved a high degree of confusion and uncertainty in terms of my functioning in this world. A profound sense of "meaninglessness" overtook me about the senselessness of the world as it was and remains with me to this day. Sometimes I just wish the whole thing would just get itself over with so I can return to that sense of limitless space and peace I had experienced then. It is not that I have had the desire to commit suicide (the thought has come up) but that I totally realized suicide doesn't solve a thing. From that experience a total Otherness has from time to time dimly and not so dimly occupied my waking and sleeping existence; I am not particularly "religious" and I don't wear any of this on my sleeve nor have I tried to found a new religion because of it. I intensely dislike any discussions about God because I don't feel any human being on this planet knows what God is or is not. It was clearly an Experience that revealed to me that there were levels of Experience beyond this existence that we are just not in touch with. All I can say is that the NDE totally screwed me up but my wife is still with me despite my failures and shortcomings since.

Was the kind of experience difficult to express in words? Yes     It was an experience, not a verbal description or discussion with something or someone. It was not in any way connected to existence as we know it on earth; i.e., with consciousness, with feelings, with sensations, even with thinking.

At the time of this experience, was there an associated life threatening event?          Yes     I was in surgery to repair over 13 years of damage from ulcerations in my stomach and pyloric valve.

At what time during the experience were you at your highest level of consciousness and alertness?    Immediately aware of hovering above my body--then a mind state, described above, which was without any sense of "I" or body or self, but clearly an experiencing part of Mind I had not before or since been entirely in touch with.

This was total and there was no "split" or "dichotomy" or "duality" of subject and object perception as there is in normal consciousness

How did your highest level of consciousness and alertness during the experience compare to your normal every day consciousness and alertness?    More consciousness and alertness than normal

If your highest level of consciousness and alertness during the experience was different from your normal every day consciousness and alertness, please explain:            Immediately aware of hovering above my body--then a mind state, described above, which was without any sense of "I" or body or self, but clearly an experiencing part of Mind I had not before or since been entirely in touch with.

This was total and there was no "split" or "dichotomy" or "duality" of subject and object perception as there is in normal consciousness

Did your vision differ in any way from your normal, everyday vision (in any aspect, such as clarity, field of vision, colors, brightness, depth perception degree of solidness/transparency of objects, etc.)?  Yes     Again, the dissolving of all objects as sense-perception disappeared. "Vision" was an inner quality of something beyond sight altogether. I saw no objects until I had "woke up" in the recovery room with my wife sitting beside me.

Did your hearing differ in any way from your normal, everyday hearing (in any aspect, such as clarity, ability to recognize source of sound, pitch, loudness, etc.)?
            Yes     A clear discernment, a Voice without words, an Inner Ear, so to speak, that was "speaking" without language or sense of loudness or softness. It was exactly what it needed to be to hear It without emphasizing the sense of hearing in any way or form.

Did you experience a separation of your consciousness from your body?     Yes

What emotions did you feel during the experience?            Beatific, peaceful (more at calmness, total peace), a kind of gentle wafting, as of ripples from a calm ocean of water, of being immersed in the water but not drowning. A feeling/emotion devoid of ordinary feeling/emotion.

Did you pass into or through a tunnel or enclosure?          No       There was no tunnel or tunneling experience.

Did you see a light?           Yes    

Did you meet or see any other beings?           Yes     As stated above, two were clearly my future daughter and son but not in their discernible forms today. The Other being of light I have since identified as the figure of Jesus. I stated above what was communicated.

Did you experience a review of past events in your life?    No      

Did you observe or hear anything regarding people or events during your experience that could be verified later?          Yes     I knew my daughter was a girl before she was born. I knew my son was a boy almost the instant he was conceived. He also communicated with me his name prior to birth (Inner Ear experience described above)

Did you see or visit any beautiful or otherwise distinctive locations, levels or dimensions?           No            No sense of "location"--just Otherness

Did you have any sense of altered space or time?   Yes     No sense of time or passage of time. Sense of space as being endless and having no sense of distance, up or down, or boundaries.

Did you have a sense of knowing special knowledge, universal order and/or purpose?     Yes     I have briefly described this above. What came out of it mostly was the profound sense of meaninglessness here coupled with revelatory experiences that have since formed the basis of my written work.

Did you reach a boundary or limiting physical structure? Yes     It was as if all boundaries dissolved at once. No sense of fear of "going beyond" either. It just happened all at once.

Did you become aware of future events?       Yes
            To some extent; sometimes a certain kind of despair following because I "knew" wars would continue and people would continue to be nasty to each other; it didn't matter what form those conflicts took place in or where--they still were and are going on.

Did you have any psychic, paranormal or other special gifts following the experience you did not have prior to the experience?     Yes     I've worked as a psychic, but I tell the truth, not a fancied up version of a story line the person I'm working with wants to hear. So my work there was limited to some extent. A poetic gift (which I already had) was amplified and expanded. I have the first book published which starts off with an NDE and extends into the idea of dreams and dreaming and enters prophetic and spiritual contexts.

Have you shared this experience with others?         Yes     Fairly quickly. By that I mean I talked with my wife about it. But it blew a big hole in my life here. I've not had much self confidence since then but I am able to work as a teacher to earn my living.

Did you have any knowledge of near death experience (NDE) prior to your experience?    No      

How did you view the reality of your experience shortly (days to weeks) after it happened:            Experience was definitely real    I was in awe of it at first as I could only dwell on its content. I hadn't formed a verbal way of dealing with. I could say I only "coped" with it. Sometimes wondering why the hell I didn't go ahead and die, given what happened since in my life because very little (except my love of my family) of it has made any sense.

Were there one or several parts of the experience especially meaningful or significant to you?            Yes. My son and daughter confirmings. As well as the fact that the experience itself expanded to include other areas of my life that I didn't think mattered.

How do you currently view the reality of your experience:            Experience was definitely real    It has never left the contours of my mind. I find I want to go back there often. I day dream about it but it is never exactly the way it was when it happened. I have had a few experiences with a Voice which I have since said it was a Voice for God, (not "of" God) because to me, very clearly, God is NOT involved in this world in the least. If He were, He would be as insane as this world always is and always will be. That's how I know.

Have your relationships changed specifically as a result of your experience?           Yes     My wife nearly left me. I turned into a traveler, a vagabond. Jobs wouldn't work out or as soon as I would find a good one (teaching), it would fold or not work out for one reason or another. Today I am still with my wife but it took a lot of repair work and the good job I have now to sustain it.

Have your religious beliefs/practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?           
Yes     I wasn't particularly religious or a "believer" either before or after. I can only say--after--I KNOW, I don't believe (because a "belief" implies "unbelief" is also possible).

Following the experience, have you had any other events in your life, medications or substances which reproduced any part of the experience?         Yes     Marijuana, actually. Though hardly a substitute for the Experiences and subsequent experiences since the first NDE, it does lift repressive areas of the mind to allow a different kind of experience in. I don't use it to get "high"--I use it creatively and in a controlled sustained environment (usually out in nature) to maximize my time in a creative flow, if I give myself over to it.

Is there anything else you would like to add concerning the experience?        There is no way to communicate to anyone what I actually experienced. It's like you could write a book about it but it still wouldn't fit in the book.

Did the questions asked and information you provided so far accurately and comprehensively describe your experience?         Yes    

Are there any other questions we could ask to help you communicate your experience?   I think you have an excellent format for the questionnaire!